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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2007, 04:41:57 PM »

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as the only woman posting on this forum all i can say is: the mind boggles!
 
the letter reproduced from the papers praises the AN initiative. fine
 
norman's post, although makes sense to a certain degree, contains inconsistencies, particularly where he states that women in the workforce have lowered men's salaries by 20%.
 
m polo agrees with norman, yet contributes with a sensible post where he states that he'd rather have a job that can afford his wife to stay home and raise children. i can go with that and it makes sense, but is it realistic? if your salary does not quite cover the mortgage and the children's education, what then? home school the kids? would be good but you'd better be schooled enough to educate the children otherwise you've ruined their future.
 
templarum again agrees with norman however i lost track of what were his own views and what are those pasted from pregnant pause.
 
guys, its easy for you to say that women's role in the imperium - wherever that is - is at home raising the next generation. i cannot speak for the imperium since i live in sunny malta, and frankly, although i'd love to sit on my ass and do fuck all monday through sunday, the truth is i cannot afford it because no one is going to educate my son for free, neither are they going to feed and clothe him. and quite frankly, even if they did, i was never one to live on handouts. the klandestini do a fine job of living on handouts and that is one of the reasons i hold them in such contempt. them and any other social leech who lives on social assistance.
 
there now ready! let me put on my "man's attire" and get on with my job :rolleyes:
must not forget my strapadicktome :D

Etoile, the link I provided in my posting shows fertility statistics, were Europe clearly shows a decline in fertility rate caused by "progress" while the African continent continuously grows above average. In Europe we have an average of two children per family, the red shows that we are under average according to world statistics.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2007, 04:58:51 PM »

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Etoile, the link I provided in my posting shows fertility statistics, were Europe clearly shows a decline in fertility rate caused by "progress" while the African continent continuously grows above average of how many children should a family have. In Europe we have an average of two children per family, the red shows we are under average according to world statistics.

France has the highest percentage of women in the workforce in the whole of Europe. It also has the highest birthrate. Raising children and having a career are NOT mutually exclusive. The decline in fertilty rate has nothing to do with progress. In my view it is related to two factors: the increase of the "cost per child", and more importantly, an increase in what I would call the "emotional commitment" in having children. May the PC crowd have mercy on my mortal body and refrain from lynching me, but in Africa, say, parents do not value their children in the same way as Europeans do. "Why", say you, "that is blasphemy! Off with his head!"  But you see, Baldrick, if they did, they wouldn't bugger off to Europe  while leaving their kids behind, or indeed, have a dozen kids when their ecosystem can barely sustain one. And don't come with the usual no-condom-but-must-have-sex argument. Hell, Africans can refrain from shagging just as well as Europeans (tell me about it, tsk!). Hang on a minute. Perhaps they can't, because they really can't control themselves.... Blasphemy! Off wiv 'is 'ead!
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2007, 05:18:09 PM »

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France has the highest percentage of women in the workforce in the whole of Europe. It also has the highest birthrate. Raising children and having a career are NOT mutually exclusive. The decline in fertilty rate has nothing to do with progress. In my view it is related to two factors: the increase of the "cost per child", and more importantly, an increase in what I would call the "emotional commitment" in having children. May the PC crowd have mercy on my mortal body and refrain from lynching me, but in Africa, say, parents do not value their children in the same way as Europeans do. "Why", say you, "that is blasphemy! Off with his head!"  But you see, Baldrick, if they did, they wouldn't bugger off to Europe  while leaving their kids behind, or indeed, have a dozen kids when their ecosystem can barely sustain one. And don't come with the usual no-condom-but-must-have-sex argument. Hell, Africans can refrain from shagging just as well as Europeans (tell me about it, tsk!). Hang on a minute. Perhaps they can't, because they really can't control themselves.... Blasphemy! Off wiv 'is 'ead!


I must say Eurodip that according to statistics, France is not a growing population like you stated. In 2000, France was the sixteenth most populous nation in the world. The French population is expected to decline by the year 2025 (in the coming 17 years) when France will rank twenty-fifth in the world. Also 6.3% of the population is foreign. At the turn of the 19th century, France was the most populous country in Europe, but by the late 19th and early 20th century, France experienced the lowest birth rate in the continent. Due to government efforts and the post-World War II baby boom, however, France reached a birth rate of 21 per 1,000 people in the post-war era. This growth declined to 18 and 13.6 per 1,000 in 1963 and 1989, respectively. Currently, France's birth rate stands at 12.27 births per 1,000 population according to 2000 estimates.

Could France have become a declining population because of having the largest women workforce in Europe ? ?

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http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Europe/France.html
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2007, 05:34:52 PM »

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I must say Eurodip that according to statistics, France is not a growing population like you stated. In 2000, France was the sixteenth most populous nation in the world. The French population is expected to decline by the year 2025 (in the coming 17 years) when France will rank twenty-fifth in the world. Also 6.3% of the population is foreign. At the turn of the 19th century, France was the most populous country in Europe, but by the late 19th and early 20th century, France experienced the lowest birth rate in the continent. Due to government efforts and the post-World War II baby boom, however, France reached a birth rate of 21 per 1,000 people in the post-war era. This growth declined to 18 and 13.6 per 1,000 in 1963 and 1989, respectively. Currently, France's birth rate stands at 12.27 births per 1,000 population according to 2000 estimates.

Could France have become a declining population because of having the largest women workforce in Europe ? ?

Full article below:

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Europe/France.html


I never stated that France's population is growing, only that it has the highest birthrate in the EU-27, followed by Ireland. I'm talking about births per couple, not population growth. It's climbed again since 2000. I won't look for the exact figure, since my point here is not to use specific examples. I only wanted to state that careers and children are not incompatible. One interesting thing which has come out of France though, is the rising number of over-50 females finding jobs as babysitters. It seems that parents, quite rightly, prefer a middle-aged lady to an 18-year old au pair (proto-slut) looking after their kiddies. Good for ladies in that age bracket who are looking for a job, too.
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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2007, 05:43:40 PM »

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I never stated that France's population is growing, only that it has the highest birthrate in the EU-27, followed by Ireland. I'm talking about births per couple, not population growth. It's climbed again since 2000. I won't look for the exact figure, since my point here is not to use specific examples. I only wanted to state that careers and children are not incompatible. One interesting thing which has come out of France though, is the rising number of over-50 females finding jobs as babysitters. It seems that parents, quite rightly, prefer a middle-aged lady to an 18-year old au pair (proto-slut) looking after their kiddies. Good for ladies in that age bracket who are looking for a job, too.


Eurodip, our main concern is that if Europe is increasing or declining its population and we need to find out why. Promoting women to work could be one reason amongts other reasons like financial problems, single parenthood etc...
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2007, 06:11:21 PM »

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France has the highest percentage of women in the workforce in the whole of Europe. It also has the highest birthrate. Raising children and having a career are NOT mutually exclusive. The decline in fertilty rate has nothing to do with progress. In my view it is related to two factors: the increase of the "cost per child", and more importantly, an increase in what I would call the "emotional commitment" in having children. May the PC crowd have mercy on my mortal body and refrain from lynching me, but in Africa, say, parents do not value their children in the same way as Europeans do. "Why", say you, "that is blasphemy! Off with his head!"  But you see, Baldrick, if they did, they wouldn't bugger off to Europe  while leaving their kids behind, or indeed, have a dozen kids when their ecosystem can barely sustain one. And don't come with the usual no-condom-but-must-have-sex argument. Hell, Africans can refrain from shagging just as well as Europeans (tell me about it, tsk!). Hang on a minute. Perhaps they can't, because they really can't control themselves.... Blasphemy! Off wiv 'is 'ead!

first of all france has a 38 hr week no? that makes it easier already.

secondly frances rate is 1.98 i.e. declining. also if it is anything like the uk (it is) then most of that will come from immigrants have half a dozen kids. the fertility rate at present in the uk is 1.84 (source provided is old now) as i have posted but native brits is far lower than that. i would say native frogs rate is more like 1.5 with the rest coming from niggger/arab brood sows.

at the end of the day non-europeans dont take care of their kids as well i know. hence cut off aid and boot them out of our nations. let them feed themselves.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/peo_tot_fer_rat-people-total-fertility-rate
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« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2007, 06:15:21 PM »

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I never stated that France's population is growing, only that it has the highest birthrate in the EU-27, followed by Ireland. I'm talking about births per couple, not population growth. It's climbed again since 2000. I won't look for the exact figure, since my point here is not to use specific examples. I only wanted to state that careers and children are not incompatible. One interesting thing which has come out of France though, is the rising number of over-50 females finding jobs as babysitters. It seems that parents, quite rightly, prefer a middle-aged lady to an 18-year old au pair (proto-slut) looking after their kiddies. Good for ladies in that age bracket who are looking for a job, too.

again you prove the point and i doubt you can disagree that its immigrants that increase the fertility rate. native frogs dont breed as much. i do agree that france may make it easier for career women to have kids but even with that its below replacement levels even when non-natives are included in the stats.

how many kids do career women have should be the real question. or at least how many do natives have? it costs money to have childminders (i know because my mum worked almost one job of her 3 in the uk just to pay for it.)
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2007, 09:44:15 PM »

norman's post, although makes sense to a certain degree, contains inconsistencies, particularly where he states that women in the workforce have lowered men's salaries by 20%. - By Etoile

Perhaps I did not make myself clear.
Men's wages today are a mere 20% of what they would be:
had women not been flung into the labour market.

A simple question of Supply and Demand.
Women flooded the labour market and competed with men in all fields.
It is obvious that men's wages suffered drastically.

Globalization, 3rd world competition under sweat shop conditions have made matters worse.
Add to that increasing mechanisation and robotics -
unemployment will surely soar - market mechanism.

The solution is a change in culture:
an Aristocratic as against a Socialist view of life.
Un colpo di timone.

A High Culture where women find their true identity and fulfilment - and not mimic, ape men - become a sorry parody.
A shortage of labour would ensue - with a concommitant increase in men's wages that would allow a family to live comfortably.
The shortening of working hours would also increase the working force - the 40 hour week has been a sacred cow since 1924 - for both employers and unions (Plutocrats and Communists).

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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2007, 10:48:51 PM »

its going to be hard to promote those conditions but mechanisation has been proven to be more efficient in the long run. mechanisation means liberation.
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« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2007, 08:23:37 PM »

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you can say that again - and again too :eek:
how can one promote conditions which are little more than insults in very flimsy disguise?
 
women flung into the workforce??
working women little more than male mimics, aka apes?
 
best i stop here since i made my views very clear to norman, yes to his face as i normally do - and most ironic ..... at my place of work where he normally visits me :rolleyes:
next time he comes round i'll make sure to do the ape dance just for his pleasure :D  :confused:  :eek:
oh god, feminist mode again.

i was talking about the machines.

women have been flung into the workforce. or do u believe you are liberated?
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